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A thought I've been considering for a while
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#1 Posted : Saturday, March 18, 2017 8:49:19 PM(UTC)

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We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul — "We believe all things[,] we hope all things," we have endured many things[,] and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.


Does not Naturism fall under the category of being virtuous lovely or of good report?

And if that is the case, shouldn't we pursue it as such? And as it says seek after it?

So I ask of you in what ways would you say naturism is virtuous and or lovely and/or of good report?
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LazerusLong wrote:
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We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul — "We believe all things[,] we hope all things," we have endured many things[,] and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.


Does not Naturism fall under the category of being virtuous lovely or of good report?

And if that is the case, shouldn't we pursue it as such? And as it says seek after it?

So I ask of you in what ways would you say naturism is virtuous and or lovely and/or of good report?

I too have thought this very thing quite often actually! Naturism is virtuous, lovely, of good report, and praiseworthy because God said that it was very good when he created man in his own image, which at the time of creation man was nude. In true practice as per what Bare Oaks presents as their motto naturism is almost a law of health nearly akin to the Word of Wisdom, and I believe it promotes respect on all levels which is greatly needed in our society today.
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Properly approached and adhered to. Naturism does seem to be the penultimate conclusion of "healthy body, healthy mind" in that while there are many health conditions that can be tied to the wearing of clothes to varying degrees. Few health conditions can be tied to being nude so long as basic hygiene practices are adhered to, as well as adherence to "common sense" safety practices as well. which means wearing protective clothing when warranted. (Grease splatters in the kitchen, flying hazardous objects when using power tools, etc)

The psychological side of it also can't be understated, where nudity seems to make it harder for people to live in denial about their own bodies, while also giving them a healthier perspective on "what's normal" for the human body in general, which typically improves their own self-image. The benefits in how they begin to view/treat others also shouldn't go without a positive report.

The negative connotations are almost always tied to abusive or "otherwise deficient" behaviors, which are not the norm in any context, clothed or otherwise.
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I agree, most clothes are designed to hide flaws and imperfections. We see a woman that is covered up and think, wow! she's slim. I have worked in health care and seen many naked bodies. Sometimes, what is covered up isn't always as beautiful as it seems. Think
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Nudedad wrote:
I agree, most clothes are designed to hide flaws and imperfections. We see a woman that is covered up and think, wow! she's slim. I have worked in health care and seen many naked bodies. Sometimes, what is covered up isn't always as beautiful as it seems. Think

Perhaps the lesson to be learned from Nudedad's experience is not that "what is covered up isn't always as beautiful as it seems," but that we have allowed ourselves to created a distorted attitude about what beauty IS. I find the naked human form very beautiful, indeed - in all of its variety. Maybe especially because of its variety. Societal beauty involves conformity to a norm, which is something of a false god we have created for ourselves to worship.
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Indeed, our society has chosen a “look” that less than 10% of the population can achieve and then demands that the rest take steps to conform or be shamed. There is a dizzying amount of money to be made in body shaming the public. “Buy my clothes to be stylish and hide your imperfections!” “Buy my cosmetics to enhance your look and cover up your flaws.” “Buy my spa membership, diet plan, cosmetic surgery, hair removal, dental services, etc., to transform your image.” It’s all around us every day. You won’t measure up and be accepted if you don’t spend your money to make yourself look good. Rejecting all that and presenting yourself as you really are flies in the face of all that, so it will not be tolerated by our very shallow public.
"Change your thoughts and you change your world." - Norman Vincent Peale
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Indeed, our society has chosen a “look” that less than 10% of the population can achieve and then demands that the rest take steps to conform or be shamed. There is a dizzying amount of money to be made in body shaming the public. “Buy my clothes to be stylish and hide your imperfections!” “Buy my cosmetics to enhance your look and cover up your flaws.” “Buy my spa membership, diet plan, cosmetic surgery, hair removal, dental services, etc., to transform your image.” It’s all around us every day. You won’t measure up and be accepted if you don’t spend your money to make yourself look good. Rejecting all that and presenting yourself as you really are flies in the face of all that, so it will not be tolerated by our very shallow public.

Reminds me of a Phineas and Ferb Episode.

I agree, which is why naturism really is counter-cultural. It is a choice that is against our culture. Could be looked at as an act of rebellion, though, I choose to look at it as a rational choice to make my family have a better life.
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Jaybird wrote:
Indeed, our society has chosen a “look” that less than 10% of the population can achieve and then demands that the rest take steps to conform or be shamed. There is a dizzying amount of money to be made in body shaming the public. “Buy my clothes to be stylish and hide your imperfections!” “Buy my cosmetics to enhance your look and cover up your flaws.” “Buy my spa membership, diet plan, cosmetic surgery, hair removal, dental services, etc., to transform your image.” It’s all around us every day. You won’t measure up and be accepted if you don’t spend your money to make yourself look good. Rejecting all that and presenting yourself as you really are flies in the face of all that, so it will not be tolerated by our very shallow public.


Like the great and spacious building in The Book of Mormon. Those that were in just plain attire and following what they knew to be right, were being mocked for it.
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Naturism in its core fundamentals can not help but be "virtuous, lovely, praiseworthy or of good report"; however it is just a tool to be used. I believe it comes down to who is using it and for what purpose, pretty much like everything else in the world. It can be used to engender the qualities of virtue, allow us it see loveliness in all things and all people and find what is worthy of praise in them or the good in them. That does not mean we blind ourselves to all the negatives and ignore them, that is foolishness, it merely means we shift our perspective and seek out what is good. Also I believe naturism is more about self worth than others worth. It is also true that we more often see in others what we feel we lack in ourselves while also seeing flaws we ignore in our selves. Naturism helps us shift our perspective to a more balanced and mutually positive one.

Naturism like the Gospel when applied can change what is weak, strong; what is good, better; and enable us to shed unnecessary burdens.
Remember the simple things are the fundamentals of life. Choose ye your path this day. Si prima non succederet usus duct tape.
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Wise words. Welcome back Ravenwarbird!
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RWB! welcome back!
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Raven!! Delighted to see you back.
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Playing devil's advocate here. There are many who would say naturism is anything but virtuous as it is sexual and pornographic. Thus not seeing the forest because of the tree.

In my personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that when one understands the true doctrine of Christ and the true application of naturism they will see no conflict. The problem arises when we try to define our interpretation of either to Christ's doctrines and thus to other people. I include myself in having a rather immature understanding of Christ's doctrines.

Where we as a people run into problems is when we determine what we think is correct doctrine and then impose that view upon others. In my experience there are actually few hard fast commandments per se, and simple brief doctrine that Christ has put out. Most is left to us to discerne, study out and ask for ourselves. After isn't it a "slothful servant who must be commanded in all things"? But where I see many running into problems is when either they fail to follow the full pattern of study, ponder and then ask or they take what was given to them and assume it applies to all. In my understanding there is only one living person at this time who can do that, and he rarely puts out anything in that manner.

So is naturism virtuous? In my experience and observation, Yes.
Is naturism lovely? Again in my experience and observation, Yes.
Is naturism of good report? Once more in my experience and observation, Yes.

Can inaturism be warped into evil, like anything else, definitely. But to stare at an old mangled and disgusting tree and then miss the beauty of the forest is in my opinion not only a shame but a sin.
"Modesty died when clothes were born."
---Mark Twain
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Like everyone else, i agree that our bodies are a gift from God our father. It is meant to be a part of who we are. Our bodies are vurtious by nature. It is what we do with them that changes that. Nudity is an expression and show of confidence in who we are, sons and daughters of God. I am all for it even as a newer member to naturism. That is why i have a desire to explore it and discover more of who i am.
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Plus being naked just feels great. having the air hit your naked skin, especially your privates, feels do awesome. Yes, the human body, both male and female, are beautiful. It's a shame that we have to cover up most of the time. But that is the nature of the world we live in. I do find it interesting that Joseph Smith described Moroni as just wearing a tunic. He could tell that he was wearing nothing else. Kind of makes you wonder what our celestial clothing will be like. Something to think about.
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